The prophetic angle matters because it forces a deeper question: does God honor fraud dressed up as authority? The centurion understood authority because he lived under it and exercised it lawfully. America’s founders understood authority because they rejected the divine right of kings and placed civil power in the people. Election theft is therefore not just fraud. It is usurpation. It is counterfeit authority. If prophets said Trump won and then retreated when the media declared Biden legitimate, perhaps the lesson is that sight failed where faith should have stood. The answer now is not mysticism without evidence. It is evidence with courage: receipts, audits, prosecutions, clean elections, and a renewed understanding that illegitimate power has no moral claim over a free people.
While I was raised in a Christ-centered family, none of it involved people prophesying or speaking in tongues. It is often hard to discern faithfulness when people have such different backgrounds, especially when so many people in those communities do not bear the fruit of the Spirit and instead get involved in dissension, rivalries, and other works of the flesh. I want to believe that prophecy is alive, but when I look at Hebrews 1, for instance, I hear God saying that the nature of His communication with us did change; those who believe have His Spirit indwelling us. We should listen to Him and not other men.
But I certainly agree with your assessment that our country has failed to keep faith in God at the center of our lives. I never believed that Biden won, but I do believe God put Biden in power—not for evil, but for the good it will eventually bring about. And part of that good may have been your strengthened faith and mine. Not faith that we should save our country at any cost, but that we should listen carefully to God and obey Him as He disciplines us for a lack of faith and fruit.
Thank you David for your thoughtful response. I would gently push back on two of your points:
1. People often cite Hebrews 1 as the proof that the prophetic changed from Old to New Testament. Yet they ignore Ephesians 4 that lists prophets along with apostles, evangelists, pastors, & teachers as gifts of Christ to his body the Ekklesia. I don’t think Hebrews means anything other than prophets now fall under and point to the Son of God as ultimate King.
2. Just because Biden was put into position doesn’t mean it was God’s will. The Bible says “He is not willing that any should perish” yet people perish without Him everyday. The fatalistic mentality that has crept into the church— that if something happens it means God wills it— is actually anti-biblical and more akin to the way Muslims view Allah. In Islam if you win the lottery it’s because Allah wills it. If your 4-year old is molested it’s because Allah wills it. In Christianity we believe “He works all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose”. This doesn’t mean He orchestrates and causes bad/evil things to happen. It just means He is big enough and sovereign enough to take any rebellious act committed by our spiritual enemies and other humans and turn it to something amazing.
1. We can go back and forth citing scripture for a long time. Eph. 4 doesn't necessarily say all of those will be appointed by God across all time. God "gave" us those uses the aorist tense, which means it includes the start of the action as well as its continuation into the future. And God started giving us leaders and prophets long before He gave us Jesus. There are often long periods before Christ where there was no prophetic word (1 Sam 3:1). Bur I also disagree on occasion with people who fall into the cessationist camp. When people cling to doctrine instead of God, the result is never good.
2. In terms of God's will, I think it is simplistic to say God did not will it. Nothing happens without God allowing it, and He allows these things people intend for evil to mature us. It is not His desire, but it is the response due our unfaithfulness. As the majority of people fall away, God appoints the wicked (as well as natural disasters) to draw us back (Amos 4:6). I see the situation with Biden in terms of David and Saul; David understood that Saul was God's anointed leader even though Saul no longer had God's Spirit with him. He did not fight Saul. He waited on the Lord and encouraged faith in others. Because when the people are faithful to God, He delivers us. I am not fatalistic about Biden, but the path away from rulers like Biden is not to struggle against the ruler but against the faithlessness of the people.
Outstanding! You are absolutely correct...the 2020 election was stolen from me, the John Q Public American. I love my country and I am a proud and loyal American citizen. I know that those who stole that election from me and my fellow Americans will have to face God at some point and they they will have gone beyond forgiveness.
The prophetic angle matters because it forces a deeper question: does God honor fraud dressed up as authority? The centurion understood authority because he lived under it and exercised it lawfully. America’s founders understood authority because they rejected the divine right of kings and placed civil power in the people. Election theft is therefore not just fraud. It is usurpation. It is counterfeit authority. If prophets said Trump won and then retreated when the media declared Biden legitimate, perhaps the lesson is that sight failed where faith should have stood. The answer now is not mysticism without evidence. It is evidence with courage: receipts, audits, prosecutions, clean elections, and a renewed understanding that illegitimate power has no moral claim over a free people.
Thanks for sharing this wonderful article!
God Wins!
God Bless!!!
While I was raised in a Christ-centered family, none of it involved people prophesying or speaking in tongues. It is often hard to discern faithfulness when people have such different backgrounds, especially when so many people in those communities do not bear the fruit of the Spirit and instead get involved in dissension, rivalries, and other works of the flesh. I want to believe that prophecy is alive, but when I look at Hebrews 1, for instance, I hear God saying that the nature of His communication with us did change; those who believe have His Spirit indwelling us. We should listen to Him and not other men.
But I certainly agree with your assessment that our country has failed to keep faith in God at the center of our lives. I never believed that Biden won, but I do believe God put Biden in power—not for evil, but for the good it will eventually bring about. And part of that good may have been your strengthened faith and mine. Not faith that we should save our country at any cost, but that we should listen carefully to God and obey Him as He disciplines us for a lack of faith and fruit.
Thank you David for your thoughtful response. I would gently push back on two of your points:
1. People often cite Hebrews 1 as the proof that the prophetic changed from Old to New Testament. Yet they ignore Ephesians 4 that lists prophets along with apostles, evangelists, pastors, & teachers as gifts of Christ to his body the Ekklesia. I don’t think Hebrews means anything other than prophets now fall under and point to the Son of God as ultimate King.
2. Just because Biden was put into position doesn’t mean it was God’s will. The Bible says “He is not willing that any should perish” yet people perish without Him everyday. The fatalistic mentality that has crept into the church— that if something happens it means God wills it— is actually anti-biblical and more akin to the way Muslims view Allah. In Islam if you win the lottery it’s because Allah wills it. If your 4-year old is molested it’s because Allah wills it. In Christianity we believe “He works all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose”. This doesn’t mean He orchestrates and causes bad/evil things to happen. It just means He is big enough and sovereign enough to take any rebellious act committed by our spiritual enemies and other humans and turn it to something amazing.
Amen 🙏
God is as Merciful, as He is Just.
People sometimes (too many times), have to 'see with their physical eyes', before the 'eyes of understanding', are opened to the evil before them.
Take Oct 7th for the prime example of this phenomenon.
The Lines of Division could not, in my opinion, be made any clearer between the good and the evil.
Hi Matt,
Thanks for your reply. In response,
1. We can go back and forth citing scripture for a long time. Eph. 4 doesn't necessarily say all of those will be appointed by God across all time. God "gave" us those uses the aorist tense, which means it includes the start of the action as well as its continuation into the future. And God started giving us leaders and prophets long before He gave us Jesus. There are often long periods before Christ where there was no prophetic word (1 Sam 3:1). Bur I also disagree on occasion with people who fall into the cessationist camp. When people cling to doctrine instead of God, the result is never good.
2. In terms of God's will, I think it is simplistic to say God did not will it. Nothing happens without God allowing it, and He allows these things people intend for evil to mature us. It is not His desire, but it is the response due our unfaithfulness. As the majority of people fall away, God appoints the wicked (as well as natural disasters) to draw us back (Amos 4:6). I see the situation with Biden in terms of David and Saul; David understood that Saul was God's anointed leader even though Saul no longer had God's Spirit with him. He did not fight Saul. He waited on the Lord and encouraged faith in others. Because when the people are faithful to God, He delivers us. I am not fatalistic about Biden, but the path away from rulers like Biden is not to struggle against the ruler but against the faithlessness of the people.
Well said! Amen!
Thank you for writing this post. Enjoyed reading about this issue from a biblical point of view. I will be subscribing to ur Substack 🙏
Outstanding! You are absolutely correct...the 2020 election was stolen from me, the John Q Public American. I love my country and I am a proud and loyal American citizen. I know that those who stole that election from me and my fellow Americans will have to face God at some point and they they will have gone beyond forgiveness.