The prophetic angle matters because it forces a deeper question: does God honor fraud dressed up as authority? The centurion understood authority because he lived under it and exercised it lawfully. America’s founders understood authority because they rejected the divine right of kings and placed civil power in the people. Election theft is therefore not just fraud. It is usurpation. It is counterfeit authority. If prophets said Trump won and then retreated when the media declared Biden legitimate, perhaps the lesson is that sight failed where faith should have stood. The answer now is not mysticism without evidence. It is evidence with courage: receipts, audits, prosecutions, clean elections, and a renewed understanding that illegitimate power has no moral claim over a free people.
Exactly! It's also important to realize that elections are "civilized" warfare, still win-lose contests. This theft of our wealth, power, and authority granted to us by God by the insane toddlers who'd rather not create, much less manage, their own wealth, power, and authority, has actually been going on since the very beginning of our nation. What we're seeing now is literally just the latest iteration of that battle.
I'm an election judge, charged with guarding the ballot box so We The People don't have to go to the bullet box to deal with the insane toddlers. I've seen at least some of the many ways these people lie, cheat, and steal our wealth, power, and authority through manipulation of the election process over my thirty years in that position. I even drafted a proposal to "fix" the election process based on Seth's 10 Points to deal with "electile dysfunction."
While I was raised in a Christ-centered family, none of it involved people prophesying or speaking in tongues. It is often hard to discern faithfulness when people have such different backgrounds, especially when so many people in those communities do not bear the fruit of the Spirit and instead get involved in dissension, rivalries, and other works of the flesh. I want to believe that prophecy is alive, but when I look at Hebrews 1, for instance, I hear God saying that the nature of His communication with us did change; those who believe have His Spirit indwelling us. We should listen to Him and not other men.
But I certainly agree with your assessment that our country has failed to keep faith in God at the center of our lives. I never believed that Biden won, but I do believe God put Biden in power—not for evil, but for the good it will eventually bring about. And part of that good may have been your strengthened faith and mine. Not faith that we should save our country at any cost, but that we should listen carefully to God and obey Him as He disciplines us for a lack of faith and fruit.
Thank you David for your thoughtful response. I would gently push back on two of your points:
1. People often cite Hebrews 1 as the proof that the prophetic changed from Old to New Testament. Yet they ignore Ephesians 4 that lists prophets along with apostles, evangelists, pastors, & teachers as gifts of Christ to his body the Ekklesia. I don’t think Hebrews means anything other than prophets now fall under and point to the Son of God as ultimate King.
2. Just because Biden was put into position doesn’t mean it was God’s will. The Bible says “He is not willing that any should perish” yet people perish without Him everyday. The fatalistic mentality that has crept into the church— that if something happens it means God wills it— is actually anti-biblical and more akin to the way Muslims view Allah. In Islam if you win the lottery it’s because Allah wills it. If your 4-year old is molested it’s because Allah wills it. In Christianity we believe “He works all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose”. This doesn’t mean He orchestrates and causes bad/evil things to happen. It just means He is big enough and sovereign enough to take any rebellious act committed by our spiritual enemies and other humans and turn it to something amazing.
1. We can go back and forth citing scripture for a long time. Eph. 4 doesn't necessarily say all of those will be appointed by God across all time. God "gave" us those uses the aorist tense, which means it includes the start of the action as well as its continuation into the future. And God started giving us leaders and prophets long before He gave us Jesus. There are often long periods before Christ where there was no prophetic word (1 Sam 3:1). Bur I also disagree on occasion with people who fall into the cessationist camp. When people cling to doctrine instead of God, the result is never good.
2. In terms of God's will, I think it is simplistic to say God did not will it. Nothing happens without God allowing it, and He allows these things people intend for evil to mature us. It is not His desire, but it is the response due our unfaithfulness. As the majority of people fall away, God appoints the wicked (as well as natural disasters) to draw us back (Amos 4:6). I see the situation with Biden in terms of David and Saul; David understood that Saul was God's anointed leader even though Saul no longer had God's Spirit with him. He did not fight Saul. He waited on the Lord and encouraged faith in others. Because when the people are faithful to God, He delivers us. I am not fatalistic about Biden, but the path away from rulers like Biden is not to struggle against the ruler but against the faithlessness of the people.
Question - How is it the faithlessness of the people if someone like Biden gets into office due to election fraud? Especially considering that this has only become apparent in very recent history.
God puts people into circumstances that show them their hearts, sometimes through our desires being met and sometimes by our desires being foiled. In either case, if we pay attention to our circumstances and are honest about what motivates us, God will teach us right and wrong. When a nation of people are faithful to God, people willing to commit crimes are put into circumstances by God where they are unsuccessful. As we have fallen away from faith as a country, God allows people to succeed in criminal ventures. He also provides famines, earthquakes, and other natural disasters, in the hopes that we will turn to Him for help. This is the pattern across the Bible, but especially around the passage in Amos I mentioned above because God told His prophet to deliver this message to the people.
Another way to think of it: God gives us free will. But that does not mean He gives us free agency; we can make up our minds, but God determines the consequences of our actions. And the consequences He chooses are those which will lead us into relationship with Him if we value love, truth, and justice tempered with mercy for the repentant.
Both replies are in line with what I believe. I was specifically questioning "faithlessness of the people" in connection with elections since I also believe the 2020 election was entirely stolen. I was probably reacting to that because one of the so-called reasons we have been told throughout my adult life is that "so & so" got elected because we were apathetic. And I reject that now.
I see that I was asking more of a political question than a spiritual one. In spiritual terms, we are in the same chapter and probably on the same page. :)
Yes, it’s almost divine that they stole the 2020 election from US!
We the people suffered daily the pains of an illegitimate Biden regime. We also suffered the pain of being without a President that actually had our backs.
While I’ve been upset for years, even had to be placed on BP medicine because I was so upset and dismayed at the obvious fraud, God had a bigger plan.
Trump is much more effective now than he would’ve been had they NOT stolen the election.
The devil’s theft backfired on them big time. This whole process, while not making any sense for years, demonstrates that God does have a plan and we need to be strong in our faith accepting that His will be done.
I would still love for truth to be told. I would still love to see justice for the people. How it plays out should be trusted as God’s will.
Outstanding! You are absolutely correct...the 2020 election was stolen from me, the John Q Public American. I love my country and I am a proud and loyal American citizen. I know that those who stole that election from me and my fellow Americans will have to face God at some point and they they will have gone beyond forgiveness.
Funny, I'm about 4 years older than you, & 1 of my earliest memories, was of a 5 year old me, arriving at kindergarten on the morning of November 5th, 1980, & being told that we had a new president. I remember being gripped with dread. How could this have happened? What does this mean?
Of course, I hadn't a clue about politics or government. I hadn't conceived that a president could be replaced. I also didn't even know who the president had been. My parents never talked politics around us until we were teenagers, unless we brought it up. But, why would we? It wasn't exciting, & was above our pay grade.
Looking back at the '84 election, it really was amazing that ol' Ronnie carried every state except my home state. Of course, Mondale was from Minnesota, so it only makes sense. Take that away, & Reagan would have carried the whole country. (BTW, seems the old networks didn't have a coordinated, standardized color scheme for election maps until the 2000 election ran long & they decided to get on the same page.)
As for Trump, I never connected with him growing up. His brash, egotistical demeanor just turned me off. I never believed he would win, & said it confidently to people, right up until election night. I weighed the options of Bernie & Hilary, & just decided that neither of them would be adequate, & at least Trump was a wild card. I was worried about his talk of tariffs, & the possibility that he could get us into foreign entanglements, but I held my breath, & pulled the lever for him.
How shocked was I the next day, to see he had won the thing? My fears didn't come to fruition during his 1st term, & when the 2020 campaign came around, I did my due diligence, looking into all possible candidates. (Yes, I looked at the Democrats & independents as well, even deciding on Tulsi Gabbard if I were to go that direction. Go figure, I picked someone who left the party shortly after.) When I looked into Trump, I was amazed at all the things he had done, that I had never heard about; being preoccupied, & out of the loop for most of his 1st term.
So yes, I voted for him again in 2020. It seemed like a sure thing against a mentally deficient stooge of a career politician. The summer of 2020 had other plans. If Trump didn't close down the countty he would be chided for killing people. If he locked it down, he lost a strong, functioning economy. The trap was set with expert precision.
In November, it still looked like he could pull it off. Even late into the night of elections, he looked safely ahead. Then, came the pauses, the sudden vote drops, the crazy rumors, & all the things we all know. In no time, I was about 80% sure that he should have won, & 100% sure the election wasn't on the up & up.
Let's just skip to the end. I voted for him a 3rd time, obviously. My fears of tarrifs & foreign entanglements have become a reality, although I have mixed thoughts on their affects. He still is doing good work, even through many distractions - too many, it would seem to focus on everything. The economy is so fragile & uncertain now. Still, I don't regret my choice.
What I'm taking the long way to say, is that if you believe in the God of the Bible, then you believe that He works all things together for good. Without the pain of the last several years, we wouldn't have the information about the wrongdoings that we have now. Many will go unpunished, but we are better equipped to handle the future.
Trump, also, is better equipped. He knows the game now, & is more determined. He knows he only has 2 years & change to finish his work in government. I believe he wants to leave a lasting fingerprint on the world, & isn't about to let anyone get in his way. This means, in part, not listening to anyone else, even a few voices he probably should listen to. The final chapter hasn't been written for him just yet, but I think the pause in his presidency, coupled with the close-call assassination attempt, have changed him in certain ways, giving him more of a resolve to finish his work. Is it the Lord's work? I guess it depends on who we hold as sovereign.
Exactly! The American people were cheated, and it cost us dearly! They have caused damage that can’t be fixed. They need to be held accountable for all of it!
Yes but many people lost loved ones, that can’t be fixed. I am one who believes as you do, however those who died because of the Covid hoax can’t be returned. And those people caused these deaths without remorse, until there is accountability there is no fix for many things. Not in this world.
I agree about the Centurion understanding authority. I think if more Christians understood the authority they have through their Savior Jesus Christ who sits at the right hand of God the Father the body of Christ on Earth would be much more powerful.
God speaks to and through those willing to hear and believe it is God speaking. That is my belief and my experience. Any gift that the Spirit bestows can be distorted, misused or counterfeited. It doesn't mean that the gifts are not real. It calls for discernment on our part to sort out the true from the false. And to be willing to testify on behalf of the true.
How many citizens went to Washington DC to stand up and be counted against the usurpation of power over our country? How many were people of faith? How many were condemned and persecuted for that stand? Serious life circumstances prevented me from being there but I wanted to be there so much that I felt I was there in spirit and what happened affected me profoundly. I admit there are Christians here who are lukewarm but I contend there is a Remnant, and not a small one, that is steady, firm and true.
This is a truly GREAT post! Thank you for your answer to your question "What if God was trying to clue us in on what was going to happen—and we just didn’t know how to listen?"
I'm not a prophet, just a storyteller trying to follow in the Footsteps of the Ultimate Storyteller.
But yes, God WAS cluing us in on what was going to happen--and too many of us actually refused to listen. Part of the reason for this is that we failed to recognize the wolves in sheep's clothing who have been growing increasingly desperate that We The People NOT remember whom we are, Abba's Children, creating and managing His Wealth, His Power, and His Authority as manifested within each of us AS His Children.
If we chose to understand each of us IS responsible for the consequences of our choices to accept or reject Him and our places in Him, we will understand that we will ALWAYS be responsible for the consequences of allowing the wolves in sheep's clothing to lie, cheat, and steal that wealth, power, and authority.
Way back in 2010, I examined our current Constitution and how it came to be. Our Founders did a great job of creating it, but they couldn't and didn't recognize that their failure to base it on the one true choice--accept or reject God and our places in Him--led to three fatal structural flaws. These flaws allowed the wolves in sheep's clothing--I call them insane toddlers because most of them chose AS TODDLERS to reject God and their places within Him, so became insane--to twist that Constitution into a pretzel, leaving us in our current situation.
Rather than bore you further, here is a thread of articles on X that I've put together at Abba's request. Enjoy!
The prophetic angle matters because it forces a deeper question: does God honor fraud dressed up as authority? The centurion understood authority because he lived under it and exercised it lawfully. America’s founders understood authority because they rejected the divine right of kings and placed civil power in the people. Election theft is therefore not just fraud. It is usurpation. It is counterfeit authority. If prophets said Trump won and then retreated when the media declared Biden legitimate, perhaps the lesson is that sight failed where faith should have stood. The answer now is not mysticism without evidence. It is evidence with courage: receipts, audits, prosecutions, clean elections, and a renewed understanding that illegitimate power has no moral claim over a free people.
Exactly! It's also important to realize that elections are "civilized" warfare, still win-lose contests. This theft of our wealth, power, and authority granted to us by God by the insane toddlers who'd rather not create, much less manage, their own wealth, power, and authority, has actually been going on since the very beginning of our nation. What we're seeing now is literally just the latest iteration of that battle.
I'm an election judge, charged with guarding the ballot box so We The People don't have to go to the bullet box to deal with the insane toddlers. I've seen at least some of the many ways these people lie, cheat, and steal our wealth, power, and authority through manipulation of the election process over my thirty years in that position. I even drafted a proposal to "fix" the election process based on Seth's 10 Points to deal with "electile dysfunction."
You can check that out here.
https://x.com/PhoenixLady51/status/1855749605729976664
While I was raised in a Christ-centered family, none of it involved people prophesying or speaking in tongues. It is often hard to discern faithfulness when people have such different backgrounds, especially when so many people in those communities do not bear the fruit of the Spirit and instead get involved in dissension, rivalries, and other works of the flesh. I want to believe that prophecy is alive, but when I look at Hebrews 1, for instance, I hear God saying that the nature of His communication with us did change; those who believe have His Spirit indwelling us. We should listen to Him and not other men.
But I certainly agree with your assessment that our country has failed to keep faith in God at the center of our lives. I never believed that Biden won, but I do believe God put Biden in power—not for evil, but for the good it will eventually bring about. And part of that good may have been your strengthened faith and mine. Not faith that we should save our country at any cost, but that we should listen carefully to God and obey Him as He disciplines us for a lack of faith and fruit.
Thank you David for your thoughtful response. I would gently push back on two of your points:
1. People often cite Hebrews 1 as the proof that the prophetic changed from Old to New Testament. Yet they ignore Ephesians 4 that lists prophets along with apostles, evangelists, pastors, & teachers as gifts of Christ to his body the Ekklesia. I don’t think Hebrews means anything other than prophets now fall under and point to the Son of God as ultimate King.
2. Just because Biden was put into position doesn’t mean it was God’s will. The Bible says “He is not willing that any should perish” yet people perish without Him everyday. The fatalistic mentality that has crept into the church— that if something happens it means God wills it— is actually anti-biblical and more akin to the way Muslims view Allah. In Islam if you win the lottery it’s because Allah wills it. If your 4-year old is molested it’s because Allah wills it. In Christianity we believe “He works all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose”. This doesn’t mean He orchestrates and causes bad/evil things to happen. It just means He is big enough and sovereign enough to take any rebellious act committed by our spiritual enemies and other humans and turn it to something amazing.
Amen 🙏
God is as Merciful, as He is Just.
People sometimes (too many times), have to 'see with their physical eyes', before the 'eyes of understanding', are opened to the evil before them.
Take Oct 7th for the prime example of this phenomenon.
The Lines of Division could not, in my opinion, be made any clearer between the good and the evil.
Hi Matt,
Thanks for your reply. In response,
1. We can go back and forth citing scripture for a long time. Eph. 4 doesn't necessarily say all of those will be appointed by God across all time. God "gave" us those uses the aorist tense, which means it includes the start of the action as well as its continuation into the future. And God started giving us leaders and prophets long before He gave us Jesus. There are often long periods before Christ where there was no prophetic word (1 Sam 3:1). Bur I also disagree on occasion with people who fall into the cessationist camp. When people cling to doctrine instead of God, the result is never good.
2. In terms of God's will, I think it is simplistic to say God did not will it. Nothing happens without God allowing it, and He allows these things people intend for evil to mature us. It is not His desire, but it is the response due our unfaithfulness. As the majority of people fall away, God appoints the wicked (as well as natural disasters) to draw us back (Amos 4:6). I see the situation with Biden in terms of David and Saul; David understood that Saul was God's anointed leader even though Saul no longer had God's Spirit with him. He did not fight Saul. He waited on the Lord and encouraged faith in others. Because when the people are faithful to God, He delivers us. I am not fatalistic about Biden, but the path away from rulers like Biden is not to struggle against the ruler but against the faithlessness of the people.
Question - How is it the faithlessness of the people if someone like Biden gets into office due to election fraud? Especially considering that this has only become apparent in very recent history.
God puts people into circumstances that show them their hearts, sometimes through our desires being met and sometimes by our desires being foiled. In either case, if we pay attention to our circumstances and are honest about what motivates us, God will teach us right and wrong. When a nation of people are faithful to God, people willing to commit crimes are put into circumstances by God where they are unsuccessful. As we have fallen away from faith as a country, God allows people to succeed in criminal ventures. He also provides famines, earthquakes, and other natural disasters, in the hopes that we will turn to Him for help. This is the pattern across the Bible, but especially around the passage in Amos I mentioned above because God told His prophet to deliver this message to the people.
Another way to think of it: God gives us free will. But that does not mean He gives us free agency; we can make up our minds, but God determines the consequences of our actions. And the consequences He chooses are those which will lead us into relationship with Him if we value love, truth, and justice tempered with mercy for the repentant.
Both replies are in line with what I believe. I was specifically questioning "faithlessness of the people" in connection with elections since I also believe the 2020 election was entirely stolen. I was probably reacting to that because one of the so-called reasons we have been told throughout my adult life is that "so & so" got elected because we were apathetic. And I reject that now.
I see that I was asking more of a political question than a spiritual one. In spiritual terms, we are in the same chapter and probably on the same page. :)
Great read!
Yes, it’s almost divine that they stole the 2020 election from US!
We the people suffered daily the pains of an illegitimate Biden regime. We also suffered the pain of being without a President that actually had our backs.
While I’ve been upset for years, even had to be placed on BP medicine because I was so upset and dismayed at the obvious fraud, God had a bigger plan.
Trump is much more effective now than he would’ve been had they NOT stolen the election.
The devil’s theft backfired on them big time. This whole process, while not making any sense for years, demonstrates that God does have a plan and we need to be strong in our faith accepting that His will be done.
I would still love for truth to be told. I would still love to see justice for the people. How it plays out should be trusted as God’s will.
Thanks for sharing this wonderful article!
God Wins!
God Bless!!!
Well said! Amen!
Outstanding! You are absolutely correct...the 2020 election was stolen from me, the John Q Public American. I love my country and I am a proud and loyal American citizen. I know that those who stole that election from me and my fellow Americans will have to face God at some point and they they will have gone beyond forgiveness.
Funny, I'm about 4 years older than you, & 1 of my earliest memories, was of a 5 year old me, arriving at kindergarten on the morning of November 5th, 1980, & being told that we had a new president. I remember being gripped with dread. How could this have happened? What does this mean?
Of course, I hadn't a clue about politics or government. I hadn't conceived that a president could be replaced. I also didn't even know who the president had been. My parents never talked politics around us until we were teenagers, unless we brought it up. But, why would we? It wasn't exciting, & was above our pay grade.
Looking back at the '84 election, it really was amazing that ol' Ronnie carried every state except my home state. Of course, Mondale was from Minnesota, so it only makes sense. Take that away, & Reagan would have carried the whole country. (BTW, seems the old networks didn't have a coordinated, standardized color scheme for election maps until the 2000 election ran long & they decided to get on the same page.)
As for Trump, I never connected with him growing up. His brash, egotistical demeanor just turned me off. I never believed he would win, & said it confidently to people, right up until election night. I weighed the options of Bernie & Hilary, & just decided that neither of them would be adequate, & at least Trump was a wild card. I was worried about his talk of tariffs, & the possibility that he could get us into foreign entanglements, but I held my breath, & pulled the lever for him.
How shocked was I the next day, to see he had won the thing? My fears didn't come to fruition during his 1st term, & when the 2020 campaign came around, I did my due diligence, looking into all possible candidates. (Yes, I looked at the Democrats & independents as well, even deciding on Tulsi Gabbard if I were to go that direction. Go figure, I picked someone who left the party shortly after.) When I looked into Trump, I was amazed at all the things he had done, that I had never heard about; being preoccupied, & out of the loop for most of his 1st term.
So yes, I voted for him again in 2020. It seemed like a sure thing against a mentally deficient stooge of a career politician. The summer of 2020 had other plans. If Trump didn't close down the countty he would be chided for killing people. If he locked it down, he lost a strong, functioning economy. The trap was set with expert precision.
In November, it still looked like he could pull it off. Even late into the night of elections, he looked safely ahead. Then, came the pauses, the sudden vote drops, the crazy rumors, & all the things we all know. In no time, I was about 80% sure that he should have won, & 100% sure the election wasn't on the up & up.
Let's just skip to the end. I voted for him a 3rd time, obviously. My fears of tarrifs & foreign entanglements have become a reality, although I have mixed thoughts on their affects. He still is doing good work, even through many distractions - too many, it would seem to focus on everything. The economy is so fragile & uncertain now. Still, I don't regret my choice.
What I'm taking the long way to say, is that if you believe in the God of the Bible, then you believe that He works all things together for good. Without the pain of the last several years, we wouldn't have the information about the wrongdoings that we have now. Many will go unpunished, but we are better equipped to handle the future.
Trump, also, is better equipped. He knows the game now, & is more determined. He knows he only has 2 years & change to finish his work in government. I believe he wants to leave a lasting fingerprint on the world, & isn't about to let anyone get in his way. This means, in part, not listening to anyone else, even a few voices he probably should listen to. The final chapter hasn't been written for him just yet, but I think the pause in his presidency, coupled with the close-call assassination attempt, have changed him in certain ways, giving him more of a resolve to finish his work. Is it the Lord's work? I guess it depends on who we hold as sovereign.
Thank you for writing this post. Enjoyed reading about this issue from a biblical point of view. I will be subscribing to ur Substack 🙏
Exactly! The American people were cheated, and it cost us dearly! They have caused damage that can’t be fixed. They need to be held accountable for all of it!
I don't know about "can't be fixed"... all things are possible with God to those who believe, remember?
Yes but many people lost loved ones, that can’t be fixed. I am one who believes as you do, however those who died because of the Covid hoax can’t be returned. And those people caused these deaths without remorse, until there is accountability there is no fix for many things. Not in this world.
I agree about the Centurion understanding authority. I think if more Christians understood the authority they have through their Savior Jesus Christ who sits at the right hand of God the Father the body of Christ on Earth would be much more powerful.
God speaks to and through those willing to hear and believe it is God speaking. That is my belief and my experience. Any gift that the Spirit bestows can be distorted, misused or counterfeited. It doesn't mean that the gifts are not real. It calls for discernment on our part to sort out the true from the false. And to be willing to testify on behalf of the true.
How many citizens went to Washington DC to stand up and be counted against the usurpation of power over our country? How many were people of faith? How many were condemned and persecuted for that stand? Serious life circumstances prevented me from being there but I wanted to be there so much that I felt I was there in spirit and what happened affected me profoundly. I admit there are Christians here who are lukewarm but I contend there is a Remnant, and not a small one, that is steady, firm and true.
This is a truly GREAT post! Thank you for your answer to your question "What if God was trying to clue us in on what was going to happen—and we just didn’t know how to listen?"
I'm not a prophet, just a storyteller trying to follow in the Footsteps of the Ultimate Storyteller.
But yes, God WAS cluing us in on what was going to happen--and too many of us actually refused to listen. Part of the reason for this is that we failed to recognize the wolves in sheep's clothing who have been growing increasingly desperate that We The People NOT remember whom we are, Abba's Children, creating and managing His Wealth, His Power, and His Authority as manifested within each of us AS His Children.
If we chose to understand each of us IS responsible for the consequences of our choices to accept or reject Him and our places in Him, we will understand that we will ALWAYS be responsible for the consequences of allowing the wolves in sheep's clothing to lie, cheat, and steal that wealth, power, and authority.
Way back in 2010, I examined our current Constitution and how it came to be. Our Founders did a great job of creating it, but they couldn't and didn't recognize that their failure to base it on the one true choice--accept or reject God and our places in Him--led to three fatal structural flaws. These flaws allowed the wolves in sheep's clothing--I call them insane toddlers because most of them chose AS TODDLERS to reject God and their places within Him, so became insane--to twist that Constitution into a pretzel, leaving us in our current situation.
Rather than bore you further, here is a thread of articles on X that I've put together at Abba's request. Enjoy!
https://x.com/PhoenixLady51/status/2030400969499128256